07-09-2025, 06:19 AM
Earlier today, Walter's enthusiastic write-up excoriating some of brand-new Arizona Cardinals GM Monti Ossenfort's recent roster relocations stirred up an exceptionally dynamic argument in the remarks area - one that's continuous as I write this. It's been a while considering that an item seemed to touch that numerous nerves here on RotB. Kudos, Walter!Walter's bone to pick with Monti focuses on the trades that sent Josh Jones and Isaiah Simmons out of town and also brought Josh Dobbs in. Folks on both sides of the argument came out of the woodwork in the remarks section, and also the opinions, conjectures, and also PFF grades were a-flyin'. I believed I would certainly take some time today to use my own point of view. This isn't implied as an answer to Walter's item or any of the.. shall we say strong point of views of RotB members. It's simply one alternate view on the roster relocates we obtain to the QB inquiry that was the core of the discussion, let's start with the Jones/Simmons Jones TradeIt was hardly a shock that Ossenfort traded a deal with prior to the season. With a top four of D. J. Humphries, Paris Johnson Jr. , Kelvin Beachum, as well as Jones, tackle was most likely among the deepest settings on the team. Trading among the back-ups for value looked like a no-brainer. However.. which one? And also what is a great return?At just 26, Jones was clearly the better trade asset, so it shouldn't be a shock that he was the one traded-especially because he's an unlimited cost-free representative after this season. He clearly really did not fit into the team's strategies in 2023 or beyond. Regardless of Walter's contention that we don't have a "respectable backup option at left deal with," Beachum has 94 occupation starts at left tackle and also can fill out just fine for Hump if required although Walter is definitely proper that Hump isn't specifically an image of integrity). Currently, if * shudder * our top two deals with were to drop, our O-line is screwed anyway and also Jones would not make that much of a difference. So I'm great with trading our 4th take on. Yet did we get sufficient worth in return?We moved Jones and a 7th-rounder to the Texans for a 5th-rounder. That might not appear like much for a 26-year-old versatile O-lineman with 22 job begins.. but, again, he was our fourth deal with and also is an UFA at the end of the year. As well as if the Texans are mosting likely to be as bad as everybody assumes, that pick may be much more like a late 4th-rounder. I assume that's absolutely strong value for a person who we didn't prepare for playing much, if in any way, this year and also was gone after the season anyhow. And also note that the Texans' attempt to move him to safeguard once again is naturally going poorly. I simply don't see this as some type of indefensible trade-we got a good mid-round choice for a back-up electrician. It utilized to be that our bench gamers weren't even worth a pet crate of Aaron Rodgers all-natural Achilles supplements, to make sure that Ossenfort in fact obtained something of value below appears like a win to Simmons TradeI'll confess it was a downer to see Isaiah Simmons's Cardinals period concerned such an ignominious end-especially because it started with such guarantee. I keep in mind very much really hoping the standout college protector would certainly "fall" to us on draft night. As well as fall to us he did. However all he really did in his time in the desert is fall out of favor with the team. He never located a setting he might excel at in the NFL, never actually discovered a role where he could use his substantial athleticism. A few of that can be condemned on Vance Joseph, a few of that can be condemned on Steve Keim that constantly liked a jack of all/master of none defender), and several of that can be condemned on Simmons the nail in his Cardinals casket came when the group decided-correctly-to decline his 5th-year option. From that factor on, the alternatives ended up being 1) have him play out the period with the motivation of attempting to make a good second agreement, or 2) trade him. It came to be rather clear beforehand after working with Jonathan Gannon and also Nick Rallis that the former had not been going to be an alternative. Simmons stated point-blank that he "didn't desire to play linebacker" and he had a hard time at security in limited, to be fair) preseason just feels like Simmons didn't suit what Gannon as well as Rallis desired for the defense this period. Keeping him aboard for a few more weeks to attempt to display him for a much better trade return I presume there was this 3rd option) would have taken the chance of compromising some of the cohesiveness as well as perspective that has the defense looking a lot far better than anticipated after just one game, to be fair). Much better to cut your losses and get what you can than try to fit a peg shaped like a phenomenal college athlete into a hole formed like an actual NFL-caliber just obtained a 7th-rounder from the Giants for Simmons a 2020 1st-rounder), which means we obtained less for him than we obtained for Jones that was a 3rd-rounder in that exact same draft) Marvin Harrison Jr. Jersey. That's generally giving the previous Butkus Award champion away. Could we have gotten much more at the time? Maybe-who knows what discussions occurred behind the scenes. One national author provided the Cardinals a C+ for the trade albeit with much of that associated to the sunk cost misconception). Could we have gotten extra if we had kept him a bit much longer? I simply don't see the point providing breaks to a player you intend to carry on from when he's plainly not a fit for your defense, specifically when it's a new protection. Attempting to keep him right into the routine period simply appears like it would certainly have been a poor idea. And stop me if you've heard this set before, but keep in mind that the Giants' effort to move him back to linebacker is naturally going badly. Do not love the return right here, but the trade resembles addition by reduction. The defense seems better off without QB ConundrumThat brings us to the 3rd as well as last preseason trade Ossenfort implemented: a 5th-rounder for Dobbs and also a 7th-rounder. One essential information concerning this trade that's been neglected is that the 5th-rounder we traded comes by means of the Eagles, which means it's most likely to be near the end of the round. It's not our own or the one we obtained from the Texans, which figure to be much greater in the round. To make sure that's possibly 20-25 draft ports of worth that's being ignored. That's not nothing. Dobbs also has familiarity with OC Drew Petzing from their time together in Cleveland, as well as he has some beginning experience although not as high as David Blough or Jeff Driskel, as some astute commenters have actually explained). However was he worth that 5th-rounder? The solution is appearing like a NO after-and this chooses every trade discussed in this column-one week. Most of us saw Dobbs resist the Commanders last weekend break, and also metrics birth those battles out. He rates # 26 in ESPN's QBR 21. 6) and # 29 in PFF's grading system 44. 4 ). That's certainly not excellent, yet those positions are still ahead of some notable names that consist of the leading two choices in this year's draft. Dobbs was among the most awful starting QBs in the league recently, but it wasn't any type of legendarily bad efficiency a la Ryan Fallen leave or Nathan the point that many individuals have actually been making is that we already had numerous comparably bad QBs on our lineup: Jeff Driskel, David Blough, Clayton Tune, even Colt McCoy. Why did we trade a 5th-rounder for a JAG when we had JAGs-a-plenty on our roster currently? Well, three of them weren't practical alternatives to begin Week 1, so let's begin : He was launched after floundering with the a preseason in which he was barely able to throw the round. He would certainly have been my choice to start had he not been washed, yet he clearly was. Relocating : He didn't play a single snap in the preseason and also never appeared to be a serious option for Gannon and Petzing. : He looked fairly suitable in the preseason albeit against backups) and might have made some feeling as the Week 1 starter. Yet, alas, he was scooped up by the Lions whom he bet from 2019-2021), so Blough is a moot leaves us with the strangely mythologized around right here Clayton Tune. Seriously, y' all love this dude. ) He's a 5th-round rookie coming from the AAC where he primarily played against teams like Temple, Tulane, and also Tulsa lotta T-schools, evidently). Remember: Houston didn't officially sign up with the Large 12 until this season. He's got skill, sure, as well as offer him props for not totally sh ** ting his pants in the preseason, yet asking him to start in Week 1 on the roadway versus a formidable Leaders protection is asking A WHOLE LOT. Way too much, if you ask me. QBs of his ilk have generally gotten on improperly as novices. I've been attempting to advise y' all!)One more factor: I've seen a great deal of remarks about playing Song a heap this season to allow him "develop. " My inquiry would be: "Create him right into what?" When Kyler Murray returns from the PUP, he will certainly be the team's beginning QB-and we require him to play this season so we can identify whether to maintain or trade him in the offseason Vi Jones Jersey. And also next period, we'll have either a healthy Kyler or one of the leading rookies. There's no circumstance where Tune is the "QB of the future" or some such. I don't assume we need to give breaks to a rookie to "create" him into.. a backup. He can discover in practice as well as from the sidelines like.. essentially every other backup in background. As well as, besides, player development isn't always regarding wantonly giving players breaks. Often, it's concerning recognizing when to * not * play someone. Week 1 at Washington sure seem like one of those times. We were going to have a hard time mightily in that video game despite who played QB, so why toss a novice to the wolves?That brings us to the much-maligned Josh Dobbs. Like simply regarding every person else, I was irritated watching Dobbs and also his 4. 4 YPA on the day. It just had not been excellent QB play, no 2 ways about it. That stated, I did have the Commanders in my survivor swimming pool, so I wasn't * also * mad concerning it. ) So why was he on the field 2 weeks after we traded for him?Side note: I do not in all disagree with where Walter is coming from in his piece, but I do take umbrage with his remarks regarding when Dobbs joined the group: "Dobbs could have been with the Cardinals team Friday and Saturday game day) and also flown back with team. In my point of view, that was extremely beneficial time missed out on. " We do not understand why Dobbs really did not sign up with the group in Minnesota, however logistical setups are usually handled by the group, not the individual player, so placing blame on Dobbs as well as transforming it right into some kind of discourse on his personality appears baseless to , per Jonathan Gannon, the reason for starting Dobbs was generally what I stated over: he was a lot more seasoned than Tune and also Washington when driving was a hostile atmosphere. Gannon as well as Petzing just appeared a lot more comfy with Dobbs than Tune. As I pointed out above, the violation was mosting likely to struggle regardless of that was under facility, yet the comfort degree with Dobbs should not be that brings me to my primary factor: Are we maybe making a mountain out of a mound below a bit? If the question is "Which placeholder QB should be beginning while Kyler recoups?" does it really matter what the solution is? We're reconstructing, bear in mind! If the group needed to surrender a late) 5th-round pick to bring in a QB they were extra comfy with throughout this Kyler-less stretch, I'm okay with had all offseason to review whether Tune and Jones, as well as Simmons) might assist us win video games this period. In their judgment, no, those players weren't going to help the team in 2023. I pick to rely on that judgment. Once more: The players we're discussing are a 5th-round newbie QB, a backup O-lineman, and also a former university celebrity that has been an unequivocal breast through 3 really did not obtain a load in return-as Walter explained, the equilibrium was Jones/Simmons for Dobbs and also a 7th-rounder-but we didn't need Jones this year anyway and also Simmons simply wasn't a fit in the brand-new defense. Currently, we can allow Dobbs start until Kyler prepares to return as opposed to counting on a new rookie. As well as if we need to bench Dobbs in a week or 2 anyhow, we can still insert Song after a bit much more spices and all we quit was the 5th-rounder from the don't win every profession, as well as if Ossenfort end up plainly losing a low-stakes profession like the Dobbs trade, I'm not mosting likely to lambaste him for it. And also if the Texans or Giants can transform Jones or Simmons right into feasible, multiyear NFL beginners, congratulations to them. It plainly had not been happening right here in the desert, and Ossenfort finagled a little draft worth out of them on their escape. To me, our new GM built up a load of a good reputation with his performance at the draft in April, as well as I'm still confident we have the appropriate person accountable of the front workplace. All this current hullaballoo hasn't transformed TurnBut are you still certain, RotBers? Or is your faith trembled? Enact the poll and let's proceed this fascinating conversation in the comments. Survey After Week 1 as well as the Jones/Simmons/Dobbs professions, how has your self-confidence in new GM Monti Ossenfort transformed?